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Observation 8: Visiting Climber's view


I’m communicating with you to say that I disagree with several aspects of this strategy statement. If enacted it will cause me personally and my family, plus the climbing club whose meets I currently arrange, to spend much less time in Snowdonia and contribute much less to the local economy. These effects run counter to the stated aims of the strategy.

My family and I travel privately to Snowdonia once or twice a year to stay in a local hotel and enjoy mountain walking. My friends and I travel two or three times a year to Snowdonia to enjoy climbing and mountaineering. All these journeys are made using private motor vehicles from the London area. The use of public transport to and within the area is not feasible for the two or three day duration and purposes of these visits.

When travelling to Snowdonia we wish to get to our destination with the minimum of inconvenience and fuss and, once there, to travel at times we please and to places we please so as to enjoy our visit’s aim. We do this responsibly and aim not to inconvenience Snowdonia residents or other visitors. We value, and value highly, the wild and undeveloped nature of Snowdonia.

We regard waiting for public transport and the use of public transport as a very poor alternative to the ease and convenience of our own private transport arrangements. We regard any new developments in the national park as regrettable because its wild and undeveloped state is a vital part of its attraction. It is nearer to London than the Lake District or Scotland for mountaineering visits but not as close as the south west peninsula coast  Devon, Dorset and Cornwall - or the Peak District for climbing purposes. I make this point to indicate the choices possible in climbing and mountaineering destinations in the UK.

I’ll now comment on particular points in the consultation draft to show how the conclusions in the opening paragraph above are arrived at. The draft’s paragraph numbering is used.

1.1. We do not want an alternative to our private transport unless it is better. Anything that involves longer journeys, transport mode interchange, more expense, more total journey time and restrictions on our mobility is a disadvantage to us.

2.2. We spend increasing amounts of money year on year in Snowdonia. The Beacon climbing wall attracts our visits. The climbing equipment shops in Llanberis, Capel Curig and Betwys-y-Coed take our money. The cafes and pubs and hotels in the area benefit from our visits. We would resent strongly any initiative aimed at trying to fleece us of more money by restricting our mobility.

Map 1. We sometimes stay in the Llanberis Pass but climb or mountaineer in the Ogwen valley. It is a single journey for us presently. With your plan it would be two because of the bus change at Capel Curig. It means more time, more inconvenience and restrictions to bus operating periods. Often we like to go early, very early, and return late.

3.2.2. We often go to less popular mountain areas so as to enjoy their relative remoteness and loneliness. Your initiative concentrates on the popular areas and will do less for the areas we frequent thus further inconveniencing us. As for the popular areas they will become more populated and more developed rendering them even less attractive to us.

4.5. Parking expense for us would rise and we would receive no benefit from this compared to our current state. Indeed we would be incommoded by the parking restrictions.

4.7. The restricting of roadside parking would severely limit our ability to climb or mountaineer wherever and whenever we pleased in Snowdonia. We would regard this as a strong infringement of our personal freedom compared to the situation in the south west Peninsula, the Peak District, Lakes District and Scotland.

4.13. The initiative would offer a much lower quality experience to our visits and would substantially lower the reputation of the area in whatever communications we had with others. Both results are directly opposite to your emboldened conclusions in this paragraph.

5.3.2. Our visits would face less choice, not more. What the initiative proposes to offer we do not want. We will have new options but existing ones are taken away and the new ones undesirable.

5.9. Your first sub-paragraph here is plain wrong for us. The scheme will detract from our visitor experience by not meeting our requirements. Your last point fails to recognise that we would require improvements on the transport ease and convenience offered by our private transportation before we will give it up. If Snowdonia becomes an inconvenient and unsatisfying place to travel to and within for our climbing, mountaineering and recreational visits then we shall simply go elsewhere.

In section 6  Strategic Aims, Objectives and Targets  various specific objectives are listed. Here I comment on some of these.

02.7. This makes the point that ‘transfer between different types of transport will be convenient and easy.’ Not for us, not at all. We will be exchanging a one type, one journey mode of transport, the car or van, for several types and several journeys. This is a retrograde step. Journeys to and within Snowdonia will be more inconvenient, take more time, involve more effort and cost more money.  There is no benefit to us whatsoever in any of this, none at all.

03.3 This discusses reducing opportunities for ‘unofficial and informal parking.’ Why? So as to increase visitor spend in the gateway towns and so as to help fund the public travel arrangements. But this decreases our personal freedom. We might for instance, spontaneously wish to climb at a crag on Tryfan whilst staying in the Llanberis Pass. It will involve two bus journeys there and two back. We have to go when the bus chooses. We have to go to and from actual bus stops. We do not want this restriction on our travel.

An essence of wild places is freedom from the restrictions, rules, regulations and crowded inconveniences of urban and developed rural environments. Your initiative detracts from this freedom.

If it is carried out we will come to Snowdonia much less.

Your Appendix 1 provides a policy context. Here I comment on this.

A basic principle stated there is that  ‘The individual should have a realistic choice of travel methods and accordingly should not be dependent on the private motor car for mobility.’ On the contrary, the individual and groups visiting the area should have a realistic set of travel choices and not be dependent on the provision of public transport only for the mobility necessary to carry out the aim of their visit to the area. This set should and must include walking, cycling, riding horses and using private and public transport with the reasonable provision of facilities to encourage them to do so

Car and van-borne visitors are the life-blood of Snowdonia. By restricting and inconveniencing them through adherence to your stated basic principle you will encourage them to go elsewhere

Your Appendix 2 mentions ‘EXISITING PROJECTS’ (your spelling!). Here I comment on this.

In Cwlwm, Glaslyn (your spelling!) the area will ‘be enhanced by the addition of installation art.’ No it will not. We go to Cwm Glaslyn to enjoy its wildness and soaring natural grandeur. It does not need  ‘installation art’. It needs preserving as it is for posterity. That means minimal and virtually invisible path erosion repairs, no buildings, no signs and no signs whatsoever of civilisation beyond the sheep-farmed landscape and whatever people happen to be there.

In summary, the contents of the consultation draft indicate to me that my family and the climbing club I belong to should prepare to spend far less time and therefore less money in Snowdonia because of the authorities’ attitude towards personal private transport and parking. Leave us alone to carry on doing what we are doing and consign your scheme to the litter bin.

Additional Comment:
We would just like to add to those comments we have read in the visiting climber's letter that we too come as a family to North Wales to walk the hills.  We come in one car, carefully parked, spend time out in the hills of our choosing, able to come straight back to a car and then go and spend money in various shops on our way back. 

We live in Devon and the travel time from here on a Friday evening is approximately 6.5 hours and are either camping or staying in a mountaineering club hut.  Will there be a bus or coach available in the early hours of a Saturday morning to drop us off at the hut or camp site.  Or do we have to drive there to then drive back out again to catch a bus back to where we want to walk, and then catch a bus back again and so on and so on!!

One of our children has special needs and accesses the hills with difficulty, but enjoys the freedom and joining in with the rest of us.  If we had to catch buses pre-walk, wait for buses after the walk (possibly soaking wet) very tired and needing to get back to our car we am afraid we would not come to this area any more.  The time and energy involved would be too much for the reduced enjoyment that we could expect.

Yes, ok thats just us, but how many more like us would find the arrangements too difficult or restricting and leave and go elsewhere?  What detriment will this have to the local economy if everyone decided to go elsewhere.


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